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welcome back to the UFO Rabbit Hole

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podcast I'm your host Kelly Chase

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as I'm sure you're all aware Wednesday

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July 26th marked a watershed moment in

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the push for disclosure as the hearing

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was held by the house oversight

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committee three Witnesses former U.S

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Navy pilot Lieutenant Ryan Graves

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retired U.S Navy pilot Commander David

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fraver and high-level intelligence

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official turned UFO whistleblower David

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Crush offered their testimony under oath

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with regard to both the reality of the

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UFO phenomenon and their experiences

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with what they allege to be an elaborate

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cover-up orchestrated by the government

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in the days leading up to the hearing

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tensions were at an all-time high many

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doubted that these hearings would serve

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to move the needle and predicted more of

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the same stonewalling and obfuscation

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that we've seen from the last two rounds

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of Congressional hearings and even among

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those with a more optimistic view there

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was still the persistent undercurrent of

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anxiety that our hopes would be dashed

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in the final hour

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but that is not what happened

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in the last episode I talked about what

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I was hoping to see from these hearings

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specifically one I wanted to see that

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all three of the Witnesses were taken

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seriously and were able to give their

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full an explicit testimony about what

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they know to Congress and the American

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people and two I've wanted to see that

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Congress was telegraphing strongly and

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clearly that they're taking this matter

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seriously and that they wanted to get to

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the bottom of why the whistleblowers

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that have already spoken to Congress

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seemingly backed out of this hearing

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just these two things would have marked

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a major turning point in our fight for

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Meaningful disclosure and not only did

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we get that we got so much more

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Wednesday's hearing didn't just signal

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major progress in the push for

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disclosure but I would go so far as to

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say that when it comes to UFO secrecy

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Pandora's Box has officially been opened

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don't get me wrong we still have a long

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fight ahead of us and victory is not

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assured but the reality of the

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phenomenon is not something that they're

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going to be able to put back into the

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box this time it's out now and the world

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as we know it will never be the same so

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let's dive into what was said during the

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hearing I want to start with the opening

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the full hearing was over two hours long

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and while I definitely recommend that

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people take the time to watch it I know

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that not everyone has that kind of time

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people are busy they have lives and jobs

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and kids and families and a million

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other things to attend to to be honest

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this is my full-time job and I barely

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feel like I can keep up with all the new

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developments but even if you aren't able

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witnesses themselves so I'm going to

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play their opening statements they're

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each less than five minutes so it won't

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take long if you've already watched the

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hearing and you want to skip ahead to

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the analysis you can skip ahead to the

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let's start with Ryan Graves

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chairman grothman ranking member Garcia

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service in the U.S Navy including two

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freedom and operation inherent resolve I

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have experienced Advanced UAP firsthand

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today I would like to highlight three

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as we convene here UAP are in our

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airspace but they are grossly

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more about UAP than they let on the

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excessive classification practices keep

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crucial information hidden since 2021

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or above this level of secrecy not only

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the Navy fighter attack Squadron 11 the

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answers I founded Americans for safe

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absence of a safe intake process more

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almost 5 000 Americans have joined us in

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the fight for transparency at safe

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if everyone can see the sensor and video

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I urge us to put aside stigma and

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in our skies is long overdue thank you

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grateful for your time

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long-standing track record of legitimacy

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many of whom also have shared compelling

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I have taken every step I can to

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collaborate this evidence over a period

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the individual sharing it this is

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strongly in the importance of bringing

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this information before you

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truth and transparency

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rooted in our inherent duty to uphold

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the United States Constitution and

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protect the American people

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I'm asking Congress to hold our

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government to the standard and

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thoroughly investigate these claims

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but as I stand here under oath now I am

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speaking to the facts as I've been told

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reconnaissance office nro Reserve its

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capacity I was a member of the UAP task

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force from 2019 to 2021. I served at the

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director's briefing staff which included

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contingency operations which I was the

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reserve Intelligence Division Chief back

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programs and controlled access programs

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also known as saps and caps we needed to

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satisfy our congressionally mandated

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Mission and we were direct report at the

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time to the depth sect deaf

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at the time due to my extensive

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executive level intelligence support

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duties I was cleared to literally all uh

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relevant compartments and in a position

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of extreme trust both in my military and

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civilian capacities

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I was informed in the course of my

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official duties of a multi-decade UAP

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crash retrieval and reverse engineering

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program

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uh to which I was denied access to those

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additional read-ons when I uh requested

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it

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I made the decision based on the data I

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collected to report this information to

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my Superior

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superiors and multiple inspectors

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General and in effect becoming a

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whistleblower

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as you know I've suffered retaliation

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for my decision but I am hopeful that my

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actions will ultimately lead to a

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positive outcome of increased

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transparency

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uh thank you and I'm happy to answer

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your questions

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and last but certainly not least we have

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David fravor uh thank you thank you Mr

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chairman Congressman congresswoman

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um

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I want to first thank you for the

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invitation to speak to the committee on

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the UAP topic this has been on the news

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for the past six years and seems to be

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continuing to gain momentum

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as you know my name is David fraver I'm

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retired commander in the United States

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Navy in 2004 I was a commanding officer

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of Strike Fighter Squadron 41 the world

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famous Black Aces if you're a test to

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carrier 11 stationed on board the USS

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Nimitz and it begun a two-month workup

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cycle off the coast of California

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on this day we were scheduled for a 2v2

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air-to-air training with the USS

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Princeton as our control

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when we launched off knewitz my wingman

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was joining up we were told that the

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training was going to be suspended and

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we're doing we're going to proceed with

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real world tasking

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as we proceeded to the West the air

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controller was counting down the range

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to an object that we were going to and

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we're unaware of what we were going to

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their uh the controller told us that

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these objects uh had been observed for

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over two weeks coming down from over 80

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000 feet rapidly descending to 20 000

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feet hanging out for hours and then

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going straight back up for those who

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don't realize above 80 000 feet of space

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we arrived at the location at

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approximately 20 000 feet in a

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controller called merge plot which means

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that our radar blip was now in the same

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resolution cell as the contact

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as we looked around we noticed that we

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saw some white water off our right side

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it's important to note that the weather

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on this day was as close to perfect as

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you could ask more off the coast of San

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Diego clear skies light winds calm seas

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no White Caps from waves so the White

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Water stood out in a large Blue Ocean

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all four of us because we were in f-18fs

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so we had pilots and wizzo in the

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backseat looked down a small saw white

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Tic-Tac object with a longitudinal axis

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pointing North South and moving very

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abruptly over the water like a ping pong

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ball there were no rotors no rotor wash

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or any sign of visible control surfaces

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like wings

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as we started clockwise towards the

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object My Wizard and I decided to go

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down and take a closer look at the other

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aircraft staying in High cover to

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observe both us and the Tic Tac

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we proceeded around the circle about 90

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degrees from the start of our descent

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and the object suddenly shifted its

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longitudinal axis aligned it with my

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aircraft and began to climb

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we continued down another 270 degrees

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nose low where the Tic-Tac or we

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consumed 270 degrees toward and we went

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nose load where the Tic Tac would have

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been our altitude at this point was

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about 15 000 feet in the Tic Tac is

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about 12 000. as we pulled those onto

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the object within about a half mile of

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it it rapidly accelerated in front of us

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and disappeared our wingmen roughly 8

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000 feet above us lost contact also we

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immediately turned back to see where the

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white water was at and it was gone also

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so as you started to turn back towards

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the east the controller came up and said

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sir you're not going to believe this but

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that thing is at your cat Point roughly

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60 miles away in less than a minute

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you can calculate the speed we return to

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Nimitz we were taking off our gear we

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were talking to one of my Cruisers

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getting ready to launch we mentioned it

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to him and they went out and luckily got

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the video that you see that 90 second

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video what you don't see is the radar

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tape that was never released and we

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don't know where it's at of the act of

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jamming that the object put on an apg-73

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radar and I can get into modes later if

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you're interested

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what is shocking to us is that the

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incident was never investigated none of

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my crew ever questioned tapes were never

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taken and after a couple days it turned

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into a great story with friends it

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wasn't until 2009 until Jay Stratton had

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contacted me to investigate

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unbeknownstall he was part of the atip

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program in the Pentagon led by louisando

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uh and there was an official official

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report that came out that's now on the

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internet years later I was contacted by

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the other pilot Alex Dietrich and asked

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if I'd been contacted and I said no but

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I'm willing to talk

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I was contacted by Mr Elizondo and uh we

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talked for a short period of time he

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said we'd be in contact a few weeks

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after that I was made a word that lewd

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left the Pentagon in protest and joined

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forces with Tom Delong Chris melon Steve

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Justice and others to form two stars

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Academy an organization that pressed the

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issue with leading industry experts and

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U.S government officials they worked

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with Leslie Keane who was president

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today Rob Blumenthal and Helene Cooper

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to published the articles in the New

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York Times 2017 uh New York Times and it

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removed the stigma on the topic of UFOs

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which is why we're here today

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those articles open the door for the

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government and public that cannot be

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closed it has led to an interest from

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our elected officials who are not

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focused on Little Green Men but figuring

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out where these crafts are where they

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from the technology they possess how do

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they operate it also led to the

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Whistleblower protection act in the ndaa

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there are multiple Witnesses coming

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forward to say uh that have first-hand

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knowledge and and Mr grush has covered

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that what concerns me is that there's no

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oversight from our elected officials on

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anything associated with our government

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processing or working on Craft

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I believe not from this world this issue

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is not a full public disclosure that

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could undermine National Security but it

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is about ensuring that our system of

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checks and balances Works across all

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work done in the government using

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taxpayer funds relative to government

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programs even unacknowledged way

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programs have some level of oversight by

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the appropriate committee members in the

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House and Senate and this work that is

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said to be occurring from whistleblower

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testimonies should not be exempt in

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closing I would like to say that the Tic

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Tac object we engaged in 2004 was far

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superior to anything that we had on time

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have today or looking to develop in the

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next 10 years if we in fact have

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programs that possess this technology

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and needs to have oversight from those

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people that the citizens of this country

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elected an office to represent what is

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best for the United States and best for

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the citizens I thank you for your time

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thank you very much

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all right now that we've heard the

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opening statements from the witnesses

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let's dive into our analysis of the rest

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of the hearing

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one of the most important aspects of

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this hearing wasn't just what was being

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said by the witnesses but rather what

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was being said by the members of

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Congress who are questioning them that's

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not to in any way minimize the witnesses

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who bravely came forward but one can

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easily imagine a scenario where they

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testified before a board Congressional

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subcommittee that hadn't done their

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research and wasn't taking any of this

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seriously

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but thankfully that wasn't the case the

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members of Congress who questioned the

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Witnesses were fully prepared and fully

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engaged their questions were thoughtful

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pointed and signaled to all who are

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watching that they found these witnesses

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to be credible and their testimony to be

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of the utmost importance for perhaps the

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first time in this long road to

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meaningful disclosure the witnesses

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weren't being asked to make the case for

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why anyone should listen to or believe

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them in the first place they were being

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asked specific questions that would

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allow Congress to follow up and further

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investigate their specific claims

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particularly those that most closely

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pertain to matters of National Security

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congressional oversight and Corruption

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and that feels like the best place to

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start and breaking down the most

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important takeaways from the hearing

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right now the ball is in congress's

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court and by taking a closer look at the

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issues that seem to be the most urgent

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and most important to them we may be

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able to get a clue about how all of this

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might unfold as we move forward one of

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the key points of interest that was

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surfaced in the hearing was the need for

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increased measures to improve reporting

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a transparency in situations where

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aviators are encountering unknown

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objects in the skies

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in July of 2022 the all-domain anomaly

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resolution office or Aero was

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established when deputy secretary of

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defense Kathleen Hicks amended the

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original direction of the Airborne

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object identification and management

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group or

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aoimsg thankfully renaming it to

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something less obtuse and more

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pronounceable while also expanding its

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scope

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the purpose of Arrow is to synchronize

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efforts across the Department of Defense

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and other U.S federal departments and

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agencies to detect identify and

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attribute objects of interest near

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military installations as well as to

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mitigate any Associated threads to

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safety and National Security

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specifically arrow is in charge of

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overseeing efforts including

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surveillance collection and Reporting

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System capabilities and design

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intelligence operations and Analysis

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mitigation governance and Science and

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Technology

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with the establishment of Arrow we

559
00:19:44,510 --> 00:19:42,480
finally had something that we've

560
00:19:46,610 --> 00:19:44,520
desperately needed a centralized

561
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:46,620
Clearinghouse for data related to UAP

562
00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:49,440
sightings when fraver and Graves had the

563
00:19:52,549 --> 00:19:50,700
encounters they described in their

564
00:19:54,890 --> 00:19:52,559
opening statements and their superiors

565
00:19:57,169 --> 00:19:54,900
failed to follow up with them there was

566
00:20:00,110 --> 00:19:57,179
no way to escalate their concerns they

567
00:20:03,289 --> 00:20:00,120
had nowhere to turn arrow was created to

568
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:03,299
change all that at least in theory the

569
00:20:07,730 --> 00:20:05,280
reality of Arrow thus Fara has hardly

570
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:07,740
lived up to its promise a year later

571
00:20:11,450 --> 00:20:09,600
they have barely scratched the surface

572
00:20:13,549 --> 00:20:11,460
of completing even some of the most

573
00:20:16,490 --> 00:20:13,559
basic tasks that they were charged with

574
00:20:18,830 --> 00:20:16,500
to improve reporting a transparency

575
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:18,840
for example a congressionally mandated

576
00:20:23,810 --> 00:20:21,360
website with a portal for reporting UAP

577
00:20:25,610 --> 00:20:23,820
sightings has yet to appear

578
00:20:27,890 --> 00:20:25,620
and on the same day that the

579
00:20:29,870 --> 00:20:27,900
establishment of Arrow was announced an

580
00:20:31,610 --> 00:20:29,880
official Twitter account went live and

581
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:31,620
was greeted with Jubilation and support

582
00:20:36,529 --> 00:20:34,320
in the community the first two tweets

583
00:20:38,450 --> 00:20:36,539
said welcome to the official Twitter

584
00:20:40,490 --> 00:20:38,460
account for the all domain anomaly

585
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,500
resolution office through this channel

586
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:42,480
we will provide updates and information

587
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:44,880
relative to our examinations of

588
00:20:50,570 --> 00:20:47,520
unidentified anomalous phenomena across

589
00:20:52,850 --> 00:20:50,580
space air and Maritime domains as we

590
00:20:54,529 --> 00:20:52,860
grow the office begin building upon the

591
00:20:56,570 --> 00:20:54,539
previous Department of Defense efforts

592
00:20:59,090 --> 00:20:56,580
in this area and communicate with

593
00:21:01,669 --> 00:20:59,100
Congress we will provide updates on our

594
00:21:03,409 --> 00:21:01,679
progress here this is an exciting and

595
00:21:05,390 --> 00:21:03,419
intellectually stimulating opportunity

596
00:21:08,150 --> 00:21:05,400
for us here at Arrow

597
00:21:10,130 --> 00:21:08,160
sounds great right except that they

598
00:21:12,650 --> 00:21:10,140
literally never tweeted again

599
00:21:14,810 --> 00:21:12,660
in the years since the almost comical

600
00:21:16,370 --> 00:21:14,820
ineptitude and obfuscation from Arrow

601
00:21:17,570 --> 00:21:16,380
has become something of a running joke

602
00:21:19,730 --> 00:21:17,580
in the community

603
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:19,740
for example in a hearing in April

604
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:21,840
director of Arrow Sean Kirkpatrick

605
00:21:26,049 --> 00:21:24,480
played a video of a metallic sphere with

606
00:21:28,190 --> 00:21:26,059
no visible means of propulsion

607
00:21:31,490 --> 00:21:28,200
maneuvering through the air for which

608
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,500
his team had no explanation and yet in

609
00:21:35,630 --> 00:21:33,360
that same hearing he claimed that Arrow

610
00:21:37,789 --> 00:21:35,640
had come across quote no credible

611
00:21:39,649 --> 00:21:37,799
evidence thus far of objects that defy

612
00:21:42,529 --> 00:21:39,659
the known laws of physics

613
00:21:44,510 --> 00:21:42,539
but how can that be true how can you use

614
00:21:46,370 --> 00:21:44,520
the known laws of physics to explain how

615
00:21:49,370 --> 00:21:46,380
a spherical object with no means of

616
00:21:51,230 --> 00:21:49,380
propulsion can fly it's a familiar Dodge

617
00:21:53,390 --> 00:21:51,240
for those trying to muddy the waters on

618
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,400
this topic to say that there is no

619
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:55,440
evidence when what they really mean is

620
00:22:00,590 --> 00:21:58,080
that there is no proof evidence and

621
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:00,600
proof are not the same thing evidence

622
00:22:04,610 --> 00:22:03,120
points to a potential conclusion but it

623
00:22:07,070 --> 00:22:04,620
doesn't necessarily mean that that

624
00:22:09,289 --> 00:22:07,080
conclusion is correct evidence can be

625
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:09,299
proven to be wrong it can be proven to

626
00:22:14,690 --> 00:22:11,760
be merely circumstantial but it's still

627
00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:14,700
evidence and an as of yet unexplained

628
00:22:18,890 --> 00:22:16,679
military video of a metallic sphere

629
00:22:20,690 --> 00:22:18,900
flying through the air is evidence of

630
00:22:23,570 --> 00:22:20,700
something that is potentially violating

631
00:22:26,029 --> 00:22:23,580
the known laws of physics period it's

632
00:22:28,010 --> 00:22:26,039
asinine to suggest otherwise and yet

633
00:22:30,110 --> 00:22:28,020
this is exactly what is being suggested

634
00:22:31,549 --> 00:22:30,120
by the director of the office that was

635
00:22:33,710 --> 00:22:31,559
supposedly set up to increase

636
00:22:36,169 --> 00:22:33,720
transparency on this matter

637
00:22:37,970 --> 00:22:36,179
as a result it's not surprising that the

638
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:37,980
rumor has been that everyone from Pilots

639
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,600
who've had sightings to whistleblowers

640
00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:41,760
who want to come forward don't trust

641
00:22:46,190 --> 00:22:44,460
Arrow or Sean Kirkpatrick they haven't

642
00:22:47,390 --> 00:22:46,200
exactly demonstrated themselves to be

643
00:22:49,490 --> 00:22:47,400
trustworthy

644
00:22:50,750 --> 00:22:49,500
and so although we allegedly have a

645
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,760
place for people to report their

646
00:22:54,590 --> 00:22:52,799
sightings it is done very little to

647
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:54,600
improve the abysmal state of reporting

648
00:22:59,149 --> 00:22:57,360
and transparency Ryan grave said in

649
00:23:01,610 --> 00:22:59,159
Wednesday's hearing that he estimates

650
00:23:05,090 --> 00:23:01,620
that 95 percent of sightings by military

651
00:23:07,070 --> 00:23:05,100
Pilots still aren't being reported and

652
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:07,080
the reason for that goes beyond just a

653
00:23:11,450 --> 00:23:10,080
simple distrust of Arrow the reality is

654
00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:11,460
that despite the fact that the

655
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,380
government has admitted that uaps exist

656
00:23:17,450 --> 00:23:15,600
and that we don't know what they are and

657
00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:17,460
despite the fact that legislation has

658
00:23:21,649 --> 00:23:19,799
been written and passed a new office has

659
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:21,659
been established to centralize the data

660
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,520
and hearings are being conducted by

661
00:23:28,010 --> 00:23:25,919
Congress there is still a very real

662
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,020
stigma attached to pilots and other

663
00:23:31,010 --> 00:23:30,000
members of the military reporting their

664
00:23:33,770 --> 00:23:31,020
sightings

665
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:33,780
for pilots in particular a UAP encounter

666
00:23:37,310 --> 00:23:35,520
can become a stain on their record that

667
00:23:39,470 --> 00:23:37,320
can destroy their career and their

668
00:23:41,450 --> 00:23:39,480
reputation so there is very little

669
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:41,460
incentive for them to come forward when

670
00:23:45,770 --> 00:23:43,200
they do come in contact with something

671
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:45,780
anomalous Tim burchett said on news

672
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:48,000
Nation earlier this month that he has

673
00:23:51,890 --> 00:23:50,159
spoken to multiple Pilots who've

674
00:23:53,630 --> 00:23:51,900
reported destroying the tapes and

675
00:23:56,090 --> 00:23:53,640
evidence of their encounters themselves

676
00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:56,100
to avoid the possible Fallout of their

677
00:23:59,149 --> 00:23:57,780
encounter being discovered by their

678
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:59,159
superiors

679
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:00,960
whether you're convinced of the reality

680
00:24:05,090 --> 00:24:03,360
of the UFO phenomenon or not I think

681
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:05,100
that we can all agree that this state of

682
00:24:08,810 --> 00:24:06,960
affairs is unacceptable

683
00:24:11,210 --> 00:24:08,820
our government has acknowledged that

684
00:24:13,070 --> 00:24:11,220
whatever these things are they are real

685
00:24:15,890 --> 00:24:13,080
and that they pose a potential national

686
00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:15,900
security threat and yet the people who

687
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,340
are coming into contact with these

688
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,679
objects most often are put in a position

689
00:24:23,270 --> 00:24:21,120
where they feel like if they talk

690
00:24:24,529 --> 00:24:23,280
honestly about what they saw that they

691
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,539
could destroy the career they spent

692
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,640
their entire adult lives building

693
00:24:30,649 --> 00:24:28,799
in this culture of fear and silence

694
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,659
we're missing out on what could be

695
00:24:34,909 --> 00:24:33,120
extremely valuable data that could help

696
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:34,919
us figure out what we're dealing with

697
00:24:39,649 --> 00:24:37,440
here and we're failing to both respect

698
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:39,659
and protect the members of our Armed

699
00:24:44,690 --> 00:24:41,760
Forces who are on the front lines of

700
00:24:46,730 --> 00:24:44,700
this mystery obviously this needs to

701
00:24:48,350 --> 00:24:46,740
change and it was encouraging to see

702
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:48,360
members of Congress taking this matter

703
00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:51,360
so seriously another major issue that

704
00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:53,220
the subcommittee zeroed in on in their

705
00:24:57,230 --> 00:24:55,260
questioning was David grush's claims

706
00:24:59,210 --> 00:24:57,240
with regard to Illegal retaliation

707
00:25:01,730 --> 00:24:59,220
against whistleblowers

708
00:25:04,190 --> 00:25:01,740
in December Landmark legislation was

709
00:25:07,610 --> 00:25:04,200
passed as part of the 2023 National

710
00:25:09,710 --> 00:25:07,620
Defense authorization act or ndaa which

711
00:25:11,690 --> 00:25:09,720
offered protection to UFO whistleblowers

712
00:25:13,610 --> 00:25:11,700
who wanted to come forward to talk to

713
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:13,620
Congress about what they know

714
00:25:17,390 --> 00:25:15,840
the law Shields these individuals from

715
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,400
legal action that could arise from

716
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,200
breaking confidentiality agreements

717
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,080
related to these secrets and it covers

718
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,240
both government employees and people

719
00:25:28,730 --> 00:25:26,159
working for private companies involved

720
00:25:30,830 --> 00:25:28,740
in UAP research and development

721
00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:30,840
one part of the law creates a safe way

722
00:25:34,370 --> 00:25:32,340
for whistleblowers to share information

723
00:25:36,769 --> 00:25:34,380
with members of Congress who have the

724
00:25:38,810 --> 00:25:36,779
legal right to this knowledge the law

725
00:25:40,669 --> 00:25:38,820
also includes a provision that protects

726
00:25:42,890 --> 00:25:40,679
whistleblowers from retaliation or

727
00:25:44,990 --> 00:25:42,900
punishment such as losing their jobs or

728
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:45,000
security clearances for revealing this

729
00:25:48,769 --> 00:25:46,320
information

730
00:25:51,230 --> 00:25:48,779
and yet even with these Protections in

731
00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:51,240
place grush claims that both he and

732
00:25:54,350 --> 00:25:52,620
several of his colleagues who have

733
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:54,360
attempted to come forward have been

734
00:25:58,250 --> 00:25:55,919
retaliated against

735
00:25:59,930 --> 00:25:58,260
due to an ongoing investigation being

736
00:26:03,590 --> 00:25:59,940
conducted by the intelligence Community

737
00:26:06,049 --> 00:26:03,600
Inspector General or icig into grush's

738
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,059
claims of retaliation he wasn't able to

739
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,640
offer many specific details but he did

740
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,559
make it clear that he and his colleagues

741
00:26:14,570 --> 00:26:12,480
have had credible threats against both

742
00:26:16,250 --> 00:26:14,580
their careers and their lives from

743
00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:16,260
various elements within the Department

744
00:26:19,549 --> 00:26:17,700
of Defense

745
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,559
and although he's not able to provide

746
00:26:24,350 --> 00:26:21,840
further details for fear of compromising

747
00:26:26,450 --> 00:26:24,360
the investigation there is every reason

748
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,460
to take these claims seriously

749
00:26:30,289 --> 00:26:28,320
the investigation to which he is

750
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,299
referring was opened in July of last

751
00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:32,400
year after grush submitted a complaint

752
00:26:36,769 --> 00:26:34,260
to the icig

753
00:26:39,289 --> 00:26:36,779
not only did the icig decide to take

754
00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:39,299
this case on but he described the claims

755
00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:41,460
made by grush as being both quote

756
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:44,460
credible and urgent and we have other

757
00:26:48,890 --> 00:26:45,840
evidence to support that this

758
00:26:51,529 --> 00:26:48,900
retaliation goes beyond just rush on

759
00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:51,539
June 27th of this year Senator Marco

760
00:26:55,310 --> 00:26:53,460
Rubio said in an interview on news

761
00:26:57,769 --> 00:26:55,320
nation that the Senate intelligence

762
00:26:59,630 --> 00:26:57,779
committee has already met with several

763
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:59,640
whistleblowers with first-hand knowledge

764
00:27:04,490 --> 00:27:01,679
of secret crash retrieval and reverse

765
00:27:06,350 --> 00:27:04,500
engineering programs in his statements

766
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,360
he said that these whistleblowers have

767
00:27:10,370 --> 00:27:08,400
held very high clearances in high

768
00:27:12,769 --> 00:27:10,380
positions within our government

769
00:27:14,690 --> 00:27:12,779
Rubio also claimed that despite

770
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:14,700
whistleblower legislation passed last

771
00:27:18,890 --> 00:27:17,279
year these whistleblowers are afraid to

772
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,900
speak publicly

773
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,120
frankly a lot of them are very fearful

774
00:27:27,409 --> 00:27:24,240
he said fearful of their jobs fearful of

775
00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:27,419
their clearances fearful of their career

776
00:27:31,010 --> 00:27:29,340
obviously these allegations are

777
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:31,020
extremely concerning and so it was

778
00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:32,880
encouraging to hear in strong and

779
00:27:37,310 --> 00:27:34,980
unambiguous terms from multiple members

780
00:27:39,049 --> 00:27:37,320
of the subcommittee on both sides of the

781
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,059
aisle that they were taking this matter

782
00:27:42,350 --> 00:27:40,799
seriously and were committed to

783
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,360
providing further protections for

784
00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:44,159
whistleblowers and to holding those

785
00:27:49,310 --> 00:27:47,460
responsible countable and finally the

786
00:27:51,289 --> 00:27:49,320
questions for members of Congress also

787
00:27:52,850 --> 00:27:51,299
seem to be zeroing in on the crash

788
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,860
retrieval and reverse engineering

789
00:27:56,990 --> 00:27:54,960
programs themselves and more

790
00:27:58,610 --> 00:27:57,000
specifically how they have been kept

791
00:27:59,630 --> 00:27:58,620
secret and above the oversight of

792
00:28:02,269 --> 00:27:59,640
Congress

793
00:28:04,850 --> 00:28:02,279
and as is usually the case in matters of

794
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,860
corruption to find answers Congress will

795
00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:06,720
need to follow the money

796
00:28:11,450 --> 00:28:08,940
a particular interest was how these

797
00:28:12,769 --> 00:28:11,460
programs managed to get funding as I'm

798
00:28:14,330 --> 00:28:12,779
sure you remember from grade school

799
00:28:16,850 --> 00:28:14,340
Congress is the branch of government

800
00:28:19,010 --> 00:28:16,860
that has the power of the purse and

801
00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:19,020
hypothetically any program that is

802
00:28:22,430 --> 00:28:20,340
operating within the Department of

803
00:28:25,490 --> 00:28:22,440
Defense would have to be specifically

804
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,500
provided for in the ndaa which is passed

805
00:28:30,169 --> 00:28:27,120
yearly by Congress

806
00:28:32,450 --> 00:28:30,179
the ndaa is a United States federal law

807
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:32,460
that specifies the budget expenditures

808
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:34,559
and policies of the U.S Department of

809
00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:35,520
Defense

810
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:38,220
each Year's ndaa provides funding for

811
00:28:41,630 --> 00:28:39,840
the military and defense programs

812
00:28:44,210 --> 00:28:41,640
including salaries for military

813
00:28:46,190 --> 00:28:44,220
personnel operations and maintenance

814
00:28:48,169 --> 00:28:46,200
procurement of equipment and Technology

815
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,179
research and development construction

816
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:50,640
and other activities related to National

817
00:28:54,590 --> 00:28:51,840
Defense

818
00:28:56,990 --> 00:28:54,600
so the question then becomes if these

819
00:28:58,970 --> 00:28:57,000
programs really exist without congress's

820
00:29:01,549 --> 00:28:58,980
knowledge then where are they getting

821
00:29:03,230 --> 00:29:01,559
their money you have to imagine that

822
00:29:05,210 --> 00:29:03,240
programs for retrieving and reverse

823
00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:05,220
engineering highly Advanced non-human

824
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,460
technology as well as covering it up has

825
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,559
to come with a pretty hefty price tag

826
00:29:14,029 --> 00:29:12,720
even by the standards of the Department

827
00:29:15,950 --> 00:29:14,039
of Defense

828
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:15,960
so how could they hide something like

829
00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:17,039
that

830
00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:22,020
specifics about how these programs were

831
00:29:25,549 --> 00:29:23,640
being funded that he couldn't discuss

832
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:25,559
publicly but that he was willing to

833
00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:28,080
share with Congress he was specifically

834
00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:29,880
asked if these programs were being

835
00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:32,100
funded by defense contractors over

836
00:29:36,409 --> 00:29:34,020
charging for unrelated goods and

837
00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:36,419
services so that the excess money could

838
00:29:39,289 --> 00:29:38,340
be funneled to secret programs under the

839
00:29:41,389 --> 00:29:39,299
radar

840
00:29:43,010 --> 00:29:41,399
grush answered in the affirmative and

841
00:29:44,269 --> 00:29:43,020
said that that was one method that was

842
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:44,279
being used

843
00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:45,840
and when you look at the Department of

844
00:29:49,310 --> 00:29:47,580
Defense and they're seeming complete

845
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,320
inability to keep track of the money

846
00:29:54,649 --> 00:29:51,600
that it spends it's not hard to imagine

847
00:29:56,570 --> 00:29:54,659
how even a program as expensive as UFO

848
00:29:58,370 --> 00:29:56,580
crash retrieval and reverse engineering

849
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:58,380
could be falling through the cracks of

850
00:30:02,630 --> 00:29:59,760
oversight

851
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,640
the reality is that the dod routinely

852
00:30:10,130 --> 00:30:05,039
fails audits including every year

853
00:30:13,490 --> 00:30:10,140
between 2017 and 2021 and in 2021 it

854
00:30:17,149 --> 00:30:13,500
could not account for 61 of its 3.5

855
00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:17,159
trillion in assets that's over 2.1

856
00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:19,260
trillion dollars that is essentially in

857
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:21,960
the wind it can be almost impossible for

858
00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:23,760
the human brain to truly conceptualize

859
00:30:28,850 --> 00:30:26,580
how much money two trillion dollars is

860
00:30:30,889 --> 00:30:28,860
but for reference it's equal to nearly

861
00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:30,899
one-tenth of the GDP of the United

862
00:30:34,730 --> 00:30:32,100
States

863
00:30:36,529 --> 00:30:34,740
and notably despite the fact that it

864
00:30:38,510 --> 00:30:36,539
continues to fail audits that every

865
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:38,520
other government agency has managed to

866
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:41,520
pass since 2013. they had never once

867
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:43,679
authorized an audit of their contractors

868
00:30:48,769 --> 00:30:46,080
and of the missing two trillion dollars

869
00:30:51,169 --> 00:30:48,779
the Chief Financial Officer of the dod

870
00:30:52,970 --> 00:30:51,179
was quoted as saying that it's a quote

871
00:30:55,310 --> 00:30:52,980
teachable moment

872
00:30:57,470 --> 00:30:55,320
for the record when a private citizen

873
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:57,480
can't account for 61 of their assets

874
00:31:02,990 --> 00:31:00,480
they go to jail but the dod just calls

875
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:03,000
it an oopsie Daisy and moves on

876
00:31:06,649 --> 00:31:05,279
so obviously it's great to hear from

877
00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:06,659
Congress that they are committed to

878
00:31:09,950 --> 00:31:08,100
tracking down these programs and

879
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:09,960
figuring out how this money is being

880
00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:12,720
illegally appropriated and spent though

881
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,820
it does beg the question of why it took

882
00:31:17,930 --> 00:31:16,320
them so long to signal that they are

883
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:17,940
ready to tighten the reins

884
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,640
runaway spending by the dod and a

885
00:31:23,870 --> 00:31:22,080
complete lack of accountability with

886
00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:23,880
regard to how those funds are actually

887
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,000
spent has long been a problem and the

888
00:31:31,610 --> 00:31:29,279
American people deserve to know where

889
00:31:33,769 --> 00:31:31,620
their money is going so those are just

890
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,779
some of the areas that seem to be of the

891
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:36,000
utmost interest to Congress and

892
00:31:39,529 --> 00:31:37,740
hopefully as we watch the situation

893
00:31:41,690 --> 00:31:39,539
evolve over the coming weeks and months

894
00:31:43,370 --> 00:31:41,700
we'll see them pursuing each of those

895
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:43,380
lines of inquiry with the same

896
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,240
conviction and resoluteness that they

897
00:31:50,510 --> 00:31:47,279
telegraphed during the hearing because

898
00:31:52,250 --> 00:31:50,520
to be clear David grush said during the

899
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,260
hearing that he has specific information

900
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,720
about the locations where these very

901
00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:56,640
programs and materials are being hidden

902
00:32:01,549 --> 00:31:59,340
how they are being funded who is

903
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,559
involved and that he has a list of both

904
00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:04,080
friendly and hostile witnesses that he

905
00:32:07,010 --> 00:32:05,820
was willing to share with Congress in

906
00:32:09,769 --> 00:32:07,020
order to help them in their

907
00:32:11,810 --> 00:32:09,779
investigation so with any luck we'll

908
00:32:14,450 --> 00:32:11,820
begin to see the dam breaking on what

909
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,460
has been over 80 years of secrecy and

910
00:32:18,889 --> 00:32:17,039
denial now today we don't have time to

911
00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:18,899
do a deep dive on everything else that

912
00:32:22,850 --> 00:32:20,940
was said during the hearing as I said

913
00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:22,860
earlier it was well over two hours long

914
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:25,080
but I did want to highlight just a

915
00:32:28,610 --> 00:32:26,880
couple of particularly notable points

916
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:28,620
before we move on

917
00:32:32,810 --> 00:32:31,260
as we are all aware David Crush hasn't

918
00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:32,820
just claimed to have information about

919
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:34,860
UFO crash retrieval and reverse

920
00:32:39,769 --> 00:32:37,679
engineering programs but he claims that

921
00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:39,779
non-human bodies have been retrieved as

922
00:32:42,649 --> 00:32:40,620
well

923
00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:42,659
most of the specific details presented

924
00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:45,240
thus far have had to do with non-human

925
00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:47,940
craft and so obviously people have been

926
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:50,220
eager to hear more about the beings that

927
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,559
are alleged to have been flying them

928
00:32:57,289 --> 00:32:54,480
and in last week's hearing we got

929
00:32:59,210 --> 00:32:57,299
exactly that and although it was just a

930
00:33:01,549 --> 00:32:59,220
morsel of information it was a

931
00:33:03,250 --> 00:33:01,559
tantalizing one that sparked a flurry of

932
00:33:05,930 --> 00:33:03,260
speculation in the community and online

933
00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:05,940
while responding to questions Grudge

934
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,500
declined to comment further on the

935
00:33:12,350 --> 00:33:09,600
retrieved bodies given the public nature

936
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,360
of the hearings but he did confirm the

937
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:14,399
United States was in possession of what

938
00:33:20,450 --> 00:33:18,240
he called non-human biologics that word

939
00:33:23,149 --> 00:33:20,460
biologics is what caught the attention

940
00:33:25,789 --> 00:33:23,159
of many it's a very specific word and

941
00:33:27,169 --> 00:33:25,799
one that you don't hear very often a

942
00:33:29,389 --> 00:33:27,179
quick Google search of the word will

943
00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:29,399
bring you to the fda's website which

944
00:33:34,850 --> 00:33:32,460
says that biologics quote include a wide

945
00:33:37,610 --> 00:33:34,860
range of products such as vaccines blood

946
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:37,620
and blood components allergenics somatic

947
00:33:42,370 --> 00:33:40,080
cells gene therapy tissues and

948
00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:42,380
recombinant therapeutic proteins

949
00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:44,820
biologics can be composed of sugars

950
00:33:50,509 --> 00:33:47,700
proteins or nucleic acids or complex

951
00:33:52,430 --> 00:33:50,519
combinations of these substances or may

952
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:52,440
be living entities such as cells and

953
00:33:58,130 --> 00:33:55,440
tissues biologics are isolated from a

954
00:34:01,130 --> 00:33:58,140
variety of natural sources human animal

955
00:34:03,649 --> 00:34:01,140
or microorganism and may be produced by

956
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,659
biotechnology methods and other Cutting

957
00:34:07,970 --> 00:34:05,279
Edge Technologies

958
00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:07,980
now it's that last part about how they

959
00:34:13,010 --> 00:34:10,619
may be produced by biotechnology methods

960
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:13,020
and other cutting-edge technologies that

961
00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:16,320
got UFO Twitter buzzing because it

962
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,300
seemingly suggests the possibility that

963
00:34:23,089 --> 00:34:20,159
these non-human bodies could be

964
00:34:26,089 --> 00:34:23,099
technically living but also in some very

965
00:34:28,070 --> 00:34:26,099
real way synthetic this is particularly

966
00:34:29,570 --> 00:34:28,080
interesting to many in the UFO Community

967
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,580
because it can ports with the

968
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:31,200
long-standing theory within the lore

969
00:34:36,050 --> 00:34:33,839
that certain non-human entities that are

970
00:34:39,169 --> 00:34:36,060
reported may be synthetic biological

971
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:39,179
drones of some kind in particular many

972
00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:40,800
people who have reported contact with

973
00:34:45,470 --> 00:34:42,659
Grays have noted that their movements

974
00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:45,480
seem strange and almost puppet-like and

975
00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:47,399
give the distinct impression of being

976
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,820
animated but not in sold now I don't

977
00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:52,320
want to get bogged down and worrying

978
00:34:56,930 --> 00:34:55,020
about what we mean by a soul but suffice

979
00:34:58,490 --> 00:34:56,940
it to say that many experiencers have

980
00:35:01,010 --> 00:34:58,500
reported that the Grays that they saw

981
00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:01,020
seemed like robots of some kind

982
00:35:05,329 --> 00:35:03,780
and as bizarre as this may sound it does

983
00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:05,339
make a certain kind of sense if you

984
00:35:09,650 --> 00:35:07,560
think about it given what we know about

985
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,660
deep space travel it's clear that having

986
00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:12,240
a biological body is not ideal in that

987
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:14,700
situation bodies break down over time

988
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,800
and space it would be much more

989
00:35:20,329 --> 00:35:18,720
convenient to send your Tech ahead and

990
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,339
basically grow some bodies that you

991
00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:22,079
could then control remotely once it got

992
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:24,180
to where you were trying to go and if

993
00:35:27,770 --> 00:35:25,680
what you're dealing with is a species

994
00:35:29,569 --> 00:35:27,780
that's coming from another planet it

995
00:35:31,550 --> 00:35:29,579
could be that they evolved in a totally

996
00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:31,560
different environment than Earth which

997
00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:33,420
could make it difficult or even deadly

998
00:35:36,770 --> 00:35:35,220
for them to spend much time here in

999
00:35:38,569 --> 00:35:36,780
their own bodies

1000
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,579
and even if what we're dealing with is

1001
00:35:42,770 --> 00:35:40,560
an extraterrestrial and is from right

1002
00:35:44,450 --> 00:35:42,780
here on our own Planet there are still

1003
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,460
plenty of reasons why an advanced

1004
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:46,320
species would choose to use biological

1005
00:35:51,410 --> 00:35:49,440
drones I mean if we could send remotely

1006
00:35:54,410 --> 00:35:51,420
controlled biological drones to war or

1007
00:35:56,089 --> 00:35:54,420
to space we would Beyond just the

1008
00:35:58,849 --> 00:35:56,099
obvious intrinsic value of saving a

1009
00:36:01,310 --> 00:35:58,859
human life it costs a lot of money and a

1010
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,320
lot of time to train a military pilot or

1011
00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:03,839
an astronaut if there was a way that a

1012
00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:05,940
disastrous end to a mission didn't mean

1013
00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:07,740
losing all the knowledge and expertise

1014
00:36:11,930 --> 00:36:09,960
of the people on board it would be a

1015
00:36:14,690 --> 00:36:11,940
no-brainer for us to do so

1016
00:36:16,370 --> 00:36:14,700
but before we get too excited about this

1017
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:16,380
idea I think it's important to ground

1018
00:36:21,710 --> 00:36:18,420
ourselves with a little context popular

1019
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,720
UFO commentator Dan Warren asked Dr Gary

1020
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:23,520
Nolan to weigh in with his tweet which

1021
00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:26,640
read what does biologics mean to you and

1022
00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:28,260
can you dumb it down for the rest of us

1023
00:36:33,050 --> 00:36:30,060
please and thank you

1024
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,060
Dr Nolan replied like the catch-all term

1025
00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:35,280
non-human intelligence and identified

1026
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:37,740
anomalous phenomena it's an attempt to

1027
00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:39,839
create a term that does not convey bias

1028
00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:42,060
it's the right way to do things

1029
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,280
as a ufology heavyweight a highly

1030
00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:46,320
respected scientist and the chair of the

1031
00:36:51,230 --> 00:36:48,780
Pathology Department at Stanford Gary

1032
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:51,240
Nolan is the guy to ask that question

1033
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,760
and that was his answer so while it's

1034
00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:55,680
fun to speculate about the details of

1035
00:36:59,390 --> 00:36:57,300
the retrieved bodies and what it all

1036
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,400
might mean we shouldn't rush to any

1037
00:37:04,010 --> 00:37:01,440
conclusions without having more data

1038
00:37:06,530 --> 00:37:04,020
another new revelation that set the UFO

1039
00:37:08,810 --> 00:37:06,540
community on fire after the hearing was

1040
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:08,820
Ryan Graves sharing an account of an

1041
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,280
enormous UFO that was seen at Vandenberg

1042
00:37:16,910 --> 00:37:13,200
Air Force Base in Santa Barbara County

1043
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,920
in 2003. according to Graves a group of

1044
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:18,720
Boeing contractors that were working at

1045
00:37:24,829 --> 00:37:21,200
the facility one morning around 8 45

1046
00:37:26,510 --> 00:37:24,839
observed a very large 100 foot long red

1047
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:26,520
square approached the base from the

1048
00:37:30,829 --> 00:37:29,280
ocean and hover at low altitude over one

1049
00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:30,839
of the launch facilities

1050
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,000
this object remained for about 45

1051
00:37:36,589 --> 00:37:35,280
seconds or so before darting off over

1052
00:37:38,810 --> 00:37:36,599
the mountains

1053
00:37:41,690 --> 00:37:38,820
the enormous UFO returned that evening

1054
00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:41,700
after Sunset but this time with more

1055
00:37:46,010 --> 00:37:44,460
aggressive behaviors Graves said these

1056
00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:46,020
objects were approaching some of the

1057
00:37:49,609 --> 00:37:48,060
security guards at rapid speeds before

1058
00:37:52,250 --> 00:37:49,619
darting off

1059
00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:52,260
anyway without more information I don't

1060
00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:53,940
really have much else to offer on the

1061
00:37:58,970 --> 00:37:57,420
big red square except for to say dude

1062
00:38:00,770 --> 00:37:58,980
but it was really cool to hear a new

1063
00:38:03,230 --> 00:38:00,780
account of such a dramatic and unusual

1064
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:03,240
sighting and I hope we hear more long

1065
00:38:06,770 --> 00:38:05,040
live the Big Red Square

1066
00:38:08,810 --> 00:38:06,780
obviously these allegations are

1067
00:38:11,450 --> 00:38:08,820
breathtaking and for many hard to

1068
00:38:13,490 --> 00:38:11,460
believe and that's understandable

1069
00:38:14,930 --> 00:38:13,500
skepticism is a natural and rational

1070
00:38:16,490 --> 00:38:14,940
response to being presented with

1071
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:16,500
information that doesn't fit with your

1072
00:38:20,569 --> 00:38:19,140
models of reality people should be

1073
00:38:22,609 --> 00:38:20,579
questioning everything about this

1074
00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:22,619
process that's a good thing

1075
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,780
but while cultivating healthy skepticism

1076
00:38:28,370 --> 00:38:26,640
is a good thing we shouldn't allow our

1077
00:38:29,870 --> 00:38:28,380
thinking to stop at the place where our

1078
00:38:31,490 --> 00:38:29,880
doubt begins

1079
00:38:33,290 --> 00:38:31,500
when your face was startling new

1080
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,300
information that has the potential to

1081
00:38:38,510 --> 00:38:35,760
upend your worldview it's easy to latch

1082
00:38:40,609 --> 00:38:38,520
on to one detail or one argument that

1083
00:38:42,410 --> 00:38:40,619
sounds right and seemingly confirms that

1084
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:42,420
you've been right all along and

1085
00:38:45,950 --> 00:38:44,160
immediately stop digging

1086
00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:45,960
that's something that I'm seeing a lot

1087
00:38:51,290 --> 00:38:48,300
in the aftermath of the hearings and I

1088
00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:51,300
100 understand the impulse grappling

1089
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:53,160
with ideas that have the potential to

1090
00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:54,960
destabilize your most fundamental

1091
00:39:00,349 --> 00:38:56,760
beliefs about the nature of your reality

1092
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:00,359
is a decidedly not chill experience

1093
00:39:04,670 --> 00:39:03,119
it can be exhilarating and inspiring and

1094
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:04,680
fulfilling and a whole lot of other

1095
00:39:09,290 --> 00:39:06,960
positive things if you give it a chance

1096
00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:09,300
but it isn't without profound challenges

1097
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,400
as well there will be many Dark Nights

1098
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:13,200
of the Soul where you may find yourself

1099
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:15,119
wishing that you'd never even started

1100
00:39:19,849 --> 00:39:18,240
this line of inquiry I've been there I

1101
00:39:22,910 --> 00:39:19,859
still find myself there from time to

1102
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,920
time and so I understand why a person

1103
00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:24,720
might not want to chase this particular

1104
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:27,720
experience down and why when offered an

1105
00:39:31,250 --> 00:39:29,280
escape patch in the form of an answer

1106
00:39:33,950 --> 00:39:31,260
that sounds like it's probably right

1107
00:39:35,089 --> 00:39:33,960
most people opt to take it and just stop

1108
00:39:37,010 --> 00:39:35,099
thinking

1109
00:39:38,990 --> 00:39:37,020
and so I want to take a little bit of

1110
00:39:40,970 --> 00:39:39,000
time to talk through some of the most

1111
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:40,980
common criticisms being leveled against

1112
00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:43,200
both the hearings and the witnesses

1113
00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:45,480
themselves because although many of them

1114
00:39:49,849 --> 00:39:48,060
are fair and rational on their face and

1115
00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:49,859
most importantly they sound like they're

1116
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,500
probably true if we don't allow these

1117
00:39:56,510 --> 00:39:54,240
ideas to immediately turn off our

1118
00:39:58,730 --> 00:39:56,520
thinking and do the work of digging a

1119
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,740
little deeper we quickly see that

1120
00:40:03,230 --> 00:40:00,480
they're largely built on misperceptions

1121
00:40:04,970 --> 00:40:03,240
and a lack of important context

1122
00:40:06,770 --> 00:40:04,980
let's start with one of the most common

1123
00:40:08,690 --> 00:40:06,780
thought stopping objections that has

1124
00:40:10,430 --> 00:40:08,700
come up in the wake of the hearings

1125
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:10,440
if you've been online at all in the last

1126
00:40:13,250 --> 00:40:12,119
week you've probably heard some version

1127
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:13,260
of this

1128
00:40:17,089 --> 00:40:15,359
these hearings are nothing new it's been

1129
00:40:19,730 --> 00:40:17,099
80 years and there's still no evidence

1130
00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:19,740
to support the idea that UFOs are real

1131
00:40:24,050 --> 00:40:21,660
this one is probably the most

1132
00:40:27,230 --> 00:40:24,060
frustrating because it's just simply not

1133
00:40:29,930 --> 00:40:27,240
true my bookshelves are overflowing with

1134
00:40:32,210 --> 00:40:29,940
books of evidence we have Decades of

1135
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:32,220
research we have the accounts of

1136
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,200
thousands upon thousands of individuals

1137
00:40:38,690 --> 00:40:36,240
who have seen these things up close and

1138
00:40:40,609 --> 00:40:38,700
personal we even have Declassified

1139
00:40:42,829 --> 00:40:40,619
government documents in which government

1140
00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:42,839
officials speak directly to the reality

1141
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:45,720
of the UFO phenomenon not to mention the

1142
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,280
fact that the government's official

1143
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:50,160
stance on UFOs is that they exist and

1144
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,599
that they are worthy of our attention

1145
00:40:55,849 --> 00:40:53,520
and investigation

1146
00:40:57,950 --> 00:40:55,859
on July 17th in a White House Press

1147
00:41:00,530 --> 00:40:57,960
briefing White House National Security

1148
00:41:02,810 --> 00:41:00,540
Council coordinator Admiral John Kirby

1149
00:41:04,970 --> 00:41:02,820
was asked by a journalist specifically

1150
00:41:08,270 --> 00:41:04,980
if the Biden Administration considers

1151
00:41:11,630 --> 00:41:08,280
uaps to be a real and legitimate issue

1152
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:11,640
this is what he said in reply quote Yeah

1153
00:41:15,230 --> 00:41:13,260
we wouldn't have stood up this

1154
00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:15,240
organization at the Pentagon to analyze

1155
00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:16,859
and to collect and coordinate the way

1156
00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:18,420
these sightings are reported if we

1157
00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:20,700
didn't take it seriously of course we do

1158
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,920
some of the phenomena we know have

1159
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:24,720
already had an impact on our training

1160
00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:26,640
ranges you know when Pilots are out

1161
00:41:30,109 --> 00:41:28,380
trying to do training in the air and

1162
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:30,119
they see these things they're not sure

1163
00:41:33,530 --> 00:41:31,680
what they are and it can have an impact

1164
00:41:36,349 --> 00:41:33,540
on their ability to perfect their skills

1165
00:41:38,510 --> 00:41:36,359
so it's already had an impact here and

1166
00:41:39,950 --> 00:41:38,520
we want to better understand it now

1167
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:39,960
we're not saying what these things are

1168
00:41:44,270 --> 00:41:42,240
or what they're not we're saying there's

1169
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:44,280
something our Pilots are seeing we're

1170
00:41:47,930 --> 00:41:46,079
saying it has an effect on some of our

1171
00:41:49,970 --> 00:41:47,940
training operations and we want to get

1172
00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:49,980
to the bottom of it end quote

1173
00:41:53,690 --> 00:41:52,260
so we can debate about whether or not

1174
00:41:56,030 --> 00:41:53,700
any of the things that I've mentioned

1175
00:41:58,849 --> 00:41:56,040
constitute proof of the reality of the

1176
00:42:00,650 --> 00:41:58,859
UFO phenomenon but what is simply not up

1177
00:42:03,710 --> 00:42:00,660
for debate is whether or not it

1178
00:42:06,530 --> 00:42:03,720
constitutes evidence it is evidence and

1179
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:06,540
there's a lot of it to say otherwise is

1180
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,599
asinine and is demonstrably untrue

1181
00:42:13,730 --> 00:42:11,760
and speaking of evidence let's talk

1182
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:13,740
about one of the most common criticisms

1183
00:42:18,290 --> 00:42:15,839
being leveled against both David grush

1184
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,300
and Wednesday's hearing which is that

1185
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,880
thus far no concrete evidence has been

1186
00:42:25,069 --> 00:42:22,800
put forward to corroborate gretch's

1187
00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:25,079
claims if David grush is telling the

1188
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:27,780
truth then where is the evidence

1189
00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:30,960
and listen I think this is fair any

1190
00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:32,820
rational person who is confronted with

1191
00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:34,740
claims as extraordinary and

1192
00:42:39,650 --> 00:42:37,320
unprecedented as these is not going to

1193
00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:39,660
just accept them at face value they're

1194
00:42:43,069 --> 00:42:41,460
going to demand evidence to back it up

1195
00:42:44,810 --> 00:42:43,079
and they should

1196
00:42:46,849 --> 00:42:44,820
so what are we to make of the fact that

1197
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,859
thus far no solid evidence has been

1198
00:42:50,810 --> 00:42:48,480
presented of gracious claims about

1199
00:42:53,089 --> 00:42:50,820
secret UFO crash retrieval and reverse

1200
00:42:55,010 --> 00:42:53,099
engineering programs first of all before

1201
00:42:56,450 --> 00:42:55,020
we go any further it's critical that we

1202
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:56,460
all get on the same page about something

1203
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,319
and that is this

1204
00:43:02,809 --> 00:43:00,960
there is no legal mechanism by which

1205
00:43:05,150 --> 00:43:02,819
classified information can be shared

1206
00:43:07,550 --> 00:43:05,160
directly with the public it's really

1207
00:43:08,990 --> 00:43:07,560
important that we understand that anyone

1208
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,000
who is waiting for that evidence to be

1209
00:43:12,530 --> 00:43:11,040
unveiled in Wednesday's hearing simply

1210
00:43:14,809 --> 00:43:12,540
doesn't understand how the

1211
00:43:16,910 --> 00:43:14,819
classification system works which is

1212
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,920
fine if you're new to this world there

1213
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:18,480
would be no reason for you to know that

1214
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,359
but those are the facts David grush

1215
00:43:25,309 --> 00:43:23,760
can't share any of the corroborating

1216
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:25,319
evidence of his claims with the public

1217
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:28,319
without going directly to jail there is

1218
00:43:31,730 --> 00:43:29,940
no scenario where he would have been

1219
00:43:32,990 --> 00:43:31,740
allowed to share that publicly within

1220
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,000
the hearing

1221
00:43:38,030 --> 00:43:35,520
so if we can't see the evidence how do

1222
00:43:39,230 --> 00:43:38,040
we know that it even exists couldn't he

1223
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,240
be lying

1224
00:43:43,130 --> 00:43:41,520
this is where we have to look past the

1225
00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:43,140
headlines and dig into what David

1226
00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:46,200
grushes said what he has done and how

1227
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:47,880
the various arms of our government have

1228
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:50,220
responded in Wednesday's hearing David

1229
00:43:54,890 --> 00:43:53,040
grush said under oath that it is four

1230
00:43:57,710 --> 00:43:54,900
years as an investigator for the UAP

1231
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,720
task force he spoke to over 40

1232
00:44:01,790 --> 00:44:00,000
individuals who had first-hand knowledge

1233
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,800
of these secret crash retrieval and

1234
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,079
reverse engineering programs and that

1235
00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:06,000
these individuals provided him with

1236
00:44:10,910 --> 00:44:09,240
official documents images and videos to

1237
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:10,920
corroborate their claims

1238
00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:12,960
grush said that he took all of this

1239
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:14,940
information and he turned it over to

1240
00:44:19,010 --> 00:44:17,280
multiple inspectors General including

1241
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:19,020
the intelligence Community Inspector

1242
00:44:22,010 --> 00:44:20,160
General

1243
00:44:24,530 --> 00:44:22,020
it's important to recognize that by

1244
00:44:27,470 --> 00:44:24,540
doing this Crush has put some serious

1245
00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:27,480
skin in the game if he's lying he can be

1246
00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:29,460
charged with perjury and contempt of

1247
00:44:33,470 --> 00:44:31,740
congress both of which are very serious

1248
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,480
charges that potentially come with jail

1249
00:44:38,450 --> 00:44:36,000
time if convicted it would also spell

1250
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,460
the definitive end of his career

1251
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,800
so by going on the record gresh isn't

1252
00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:42,480
just risking his career and his

1253
00:44:48,109 --> 00:44:45,660
reputation but his freedom and if it is

1254
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,119
a lie it would be a very stupid lie to

1255
00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:50,640
tell because he didn't just say that he

1256
00:44:55,069 --> 00:44:52,440
had this evidence but did he already

1257
00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:55,079
handed it over to not just one but

1258
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,660
multiple inspectors General if this

1259
00:45:01,550 --> 00:45:00,000
evidence is fictional or fraudulent it

1260
00:45:02,930 --> 00:45:01,560
would take no time at all for them to

1261
00:45:05,450 --> 00:45:02,940
figure that out

1262
00:45:09,050 --> 00:45:05,460
so that's one strong indication we have

1263
00:45:11,450 --> 00:45:09,060
this evidence does in fact exist another

1264
00:45:13,490 --> 00:45:11,460
is the sustained campaign of retaliation

1265
00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:13,500
against David grush which dates back to

1266
00:45:18,890 --> 00:45:16,380
2021 and has only escalated in the week

1267
00:45:20,809 --> 00:45:18,900
since he went public as a whistleblower

1268
00:45:22,609 --> 00:45:20,819
Skeptics here might argue that we have

1269
00:45:24,890 --> 00:45:22,619
no details about this retaliation

1270
00:45:27,170 --> 00:45:24,900
because other than saying that he fears

1271
00:45:28,970 --> 00:45:27,180
for his career and for his life grush

1272
00:45:31,490 --> 00:45:28,980
hasn't publicly offered any further

1273
00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:31,500
details on what exactly that retaliation

1274
00:45:37,069 --> 00:45:34,680
has entailed or who might be responsible

1275
00:45:39,050 --> 00:45:37,079
however once again the reason for his

1276
00:45:41,089 --> 00:45:39,060
vagueness on this issue is because there

1277
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:41,099
is an ongoing investigation into his

1278
00:45:46,250 --> 00:45:42,960
claims that was opened in July of last

1279
00:45:48,410 --> 00:45:46,260
year the icig said at the time that

1280
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,420
these claims were both credible and

1281
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,880
Urgent so one has to assume that the

1282
00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:52,560
evidence he presented to support this

1283
00:45:56,930 --> 00:45:55,140
alleged retaliation must have some

1284
00:45:59,390 --> 00:45:56,940
significant weight to it and once again

1285
00:46:01,370 --> 00:45:59,400
all of this was said under oath if he's

1286
00:46:03,410 --> 00:46:01,380
found to be lying the consequences for

1287
00:46:05,809 --> 00:46:03,420
that both legally and professionally

1288
00:46:07,490 --> 00:46:05,819
would be severe another argument being

1289
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,500
made by those who are skeptical of the

1290
00:46:11,630 --> 00:46:09,119
claims being made during Wednesday's

1291
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,640
hearing is that thus far no other

1292
00:46:16,010 --> 00:46:13,440
whistleblowers have stepped forward to

1293
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:16,020
corroborate gretch's claims in the weeks

1294
00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:17,760
leading up to the hearing Tim burchett

1295
00:46:21,530 --> 00:46:19,380
had publicly teased that the hearing

1296
00:46:23,630 --> 00:46:21,540
would feature an All-Star lineup of

1297
00:46:26,809 --> 00:46:23,640
witnesses and that as many as six would

1298
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:26,819
be called to testify and yet no new

1299
00:46:31,790 --> 00:46:29,760
whistleblowers ever materialized so if

1300
00:46:33,950 --> 00:46:31,800
David grush is telling the truth then

1301
00:46:37,010 --> 00:46:33,960
where are the other whistleblowers

1302
00:46:38,990 --> 00:46:37,020
once again it's a fair question but what

1303
00:46:40,849 --> 00:46:39,000
most people asking it don't recognize is

1304
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,859
that although these whistleblowers have

1305
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:42,960
yet to come forward publicly

1306
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:45,240
several of them have already spoken to

1307
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:47,760
Congress and specifically to the Senate

1308
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,160
intelligence committee as we discussed a

1309
00:46:54,589 --> 00:46:52,319
little earlier Marco Rubio confirmed

1310
00:46:56,270 --> 00:46:54,599
this back in June and he further

1311
00:46:58,010 --> 00:46:56,280
confirmed that the whistleblowers he's

1312
00:46:59,870 --> 00:46:58,020
spoken to are afraid for both their

1313
00:47:02,329 --> 00:46:59,880
careers and their lives

1314
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:02,339
this is a big statement coming from the

1315
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:04,079
vice chair on one of the most coveted

1316
00:47:08,210 --> 00:47:06,240
committees in Congress and from a man

1317
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:08,220
with clear presidential Ambitions no

1318
00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:10,560
less the idea that he would lie about

1319
00:47:14,089 --> 00:47:12,060
the intelligence committee having heard

1320
00:47:16,490 --> 00:47:14,099
from these whistleblowers stretches the

1321
00:47:17,930 --> 00:47:16,500
limits of credulity he has literally

1322
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:17,940
nothing to gain from making those

1323
00:47:22,730 --> 00:47:20,160
statements and absolutely everything to

1324
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:22,740
lose we also have further evidence that

1325
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:24,480
whistleblowers have already provided

1326
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,520
congress with very specific information

1327
00:47:31,250 --> 00:47:28,800
that it is already using to craft

1328
00:47:32,809 --> 00:47:31,260
sweeping new legislation that would

1329
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:32,819
mandate that the government disclose

1330
00:47:37,069 --> 00:47:35,040
what it knows about uaps

1331
00:47:40,010 --> 00:47:37,079
introduced by Senate Majority Leader

1332
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,020
Chuck Schumer the UAP disclosure Act of

1333
00:47:44,809 --> 00:47:43,200
2023 has very telling language with

1334
00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:44,819
regard to what whistleblowers have told

1335
00:47:48,109 --> 00:47:45,660
them

1336
00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:48,119
one section that lays out the specific

1337
00:47:53,450 --> 00:47:50,280
need for the legislation reads as

1338
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,460
follows quote legislation is necessary

1339
00:47:57,370 --> 00:47:55,680
because credible evidence and testimony

1340
00:48:00,170 --> 00:47:57,380
indicates that federal government

1341
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:00,180
unidentified anomalous phenomena records

1342
00:48:04,970 --> 00:48:03,119
exist that have not been Declassified or

1343
00:48:07,609 --> 00:48:04,980
subject to mandatory declassification

1344
00:48:09,290 --> 00:48:07,619
review as set forth in executive order

1345
00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:09,300
I'm not going to read this long string

1346
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:10,560
of numbers but you can find it in the

1347
00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:13,440
episode brief due in part to exemptions

1348
00:48:19,970 --> 00:48:17,220
under the atomic energy Act of 1954 as

1349
00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:19,980
well as an over broad interpretation of

1350
00:48:24,589 --> 00:48:22,200
transclassified foreign nuclear

1351
00:48:27,230 --> 00:48:24,599
information which is also exempt from

1352
00:48:28,910 --> 00:48:27,240
mandatory declassification thereby

1353
00:48:32,089 --> 00:48:28,920
preventing public disclosure under

1354
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:32,099
existing provisions of law end quote so

1355
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,839
not only do we have proposed legislation

1356
00:48:37,370 --> 00:48:35,760
saying that Congress has heard credible

1357
00:48:40,670 --> 00:48:37,380
evidence and testimony that information

1358
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:40,680
about uaps is being intentionally hidden

1359
00:48:44,809 --> 00:48:42,240
from both Congress and the American

1360
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:44,819
people but they have outlined the very

1361
00:48:49,069 --> 00:48:47,280
specific Act and the interpretation of

1362
00:48:51,530 --> 00:48:49,079
that act that is being used to hide

1363
00:48:54,349 --> 00:48:51,540
information about uaps

1364
00:48:56,510 --> 00:48:54,359
so at this point it's clear that these

1365
00:48:58,550 --> 00:48:56,520
whistleblowers aren't fictional they

1366
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,560
have spoken to Congress and the evidence

1367
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:00,240
that they have presented was deemed

1368
00:49:04,849 --> 00:49:02,160
credible enough for them to take very

1369
00:49:06,589 --> 00:49:04,859
specific and non-partisan action in the

1370
00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:06,599
form of legislation

1371
00:49:10,370 --> 00:49:08,700
those who are arguing otherwise are

1372
00:49:12,349 --> 00:49:10,380
either not operating with the full set

1373
00:49:14,410 --> 00:49:12,359
of facts or they aren't acting in good

1374
00:49:16,849 --> 00:49:14,420
faith so where are the whistleblowers

1375
00:49:18,589 --> 00:49:16,859
based on the evidence it seems pretty

1376
00:49:20,569 --> 00:49:18,599
reasonable to assume that what we've

1377
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:20,579
heard from David grush from members of

1378
00:49:25,130 --> 00:49:22,880
Congress and from various other insiders

1379
00:49:26,690 --> 00:49:25,140
specifically that whistleblowers have

1380
00:49:29,690 --> 00:49:26,700
been retaliated against for coming

1381
00:49:31,309 --> 00:49:29,700
forward is true and the reason that they

1382
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:31,319
haven't come forward publicly is because

1383
00:49:35,569 --> 00:49:33,180
they are in fear of their careers and

1384
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,579
their lives which brings us to another

1385
00:49:39,530 --> 00:49:37,680
of the most common criticisms leveled

1386
00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:39,540
against last week's hearings which is

1387
00:49:42,589 --> 00:49:40,440
this

1388
00:49:44,270 --> 00:49:42,599
why haven't we heard from any first-hand

1389
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,280
Witnesses of these crash retrieval

1390
00:49:48,829 --> 00:49:47,040
programs David grush only claims to have

1391
00:49:50,809 --> 00:49:48,839
secondhand knowledge of these programs

1392
00:49:53,450 --> 00:49:50,819
so where are the people who can

1393
00:49:55,130 --> 00:49:53,460
corroborate his claims now obviously

1394
00:49:56,690 --> 00:49:55,140
this can be explained by everything we

1395
00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:56,700
just discussed with regard to the

1396
00:49:59,870 --> 00:49:58,200
intimidation of witnesses who have

1397
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:59,880
already spoken to Congress

1398
00:50:03,170 --> 00:50:01,920
but there's another level to this that I

1399
00:50:05,210 --> 00:50:03,180
think it's important to talk through

1400
00:50:07,010 --> 00:50:05,220
part of the reason that I think this

1401
00:50:08,990 --> 00:50:07,020
question comes up for people is because

1402
00:50:10,849 --> 00:50:09,000
David grush has come forward with some

1403
00:50:12,829 --> 00:50:10,859
very specific allegations over the last

1404
00:50:14,450 --> 00:50:12,839
two months and so they imagine that

1405
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:14,460
these first-hand Witnesses should be

1406
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:17,040
able to do the same thing but as we've

1407
00:50:22,010 --> 00:50:18,720
discussed in previous episodes David

1408
00:50:24,290 --> 00:50:22,020
grush is a special case and here's why

1409
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,300
back in April David grush did something

1410
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,400
rather brilliant he sent his

1411
00:50:30,349 --> 00:50:28,319
whistleblower allegations to the

1412
00:50:32,809 --> 00:50:30,359
Department of Defense and asked them to

1413
00:50:35,089 --> 00:50:32,819
clear him to say these things publicly

1414
00:50:36,650 --> 00:50:35,099
the process that he used to get these

1415
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:36,660
statements cleared is interesting

1416
00:50:40,849 --> 00:50:38,880
because in clearing his statements the

1417
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,859
Pentagon isn't saying that they approve

1418
00:50:44,270 --> 00:50:42,960
of his statements nor are they saying

1419
00:50:46,609 --> 00:50:44,280
that his statements are factually

1420
00:50:48,349 --> 00:50:46,619
accurate all that they're saying with

1421
00:50:49,970 --> 00:50:48,359
this clearing process is that his

1422
00:50:51,230 --> 00:50:49,980
statements aren't a threat to National

1423
00:50:53,690 --> 00:50:51,240
Security

1424
00:50:56,210 --> 00:50:53,700
this was a brilliant move on gretch's

1425
00:50:58,670 --> 00:50:56,220
part because it forced the dod to make a

1426
00:51:00,770 --> 00:50:58,680
tough choice they could choose not to

1427
00:51:02,270 --> 00:51:00,780
clear his statements but in doing so

1428
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:02,280
they would have had to say that his

1429
00:51:06,589 --> 00:51:03,599
statements were a threat to National

1430
00:51:07,730 --> 00:51:06,599
Security if they're not true then how

1431
00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:07,740
could they be a threat to National

1432
00:51:11,089 --> 00:51:08,940
Security

1433
00:51:13,010 --> 00:51:11,099
so the Pentagon instead chose to clear

1434
00:51:15,470 --> 00:51:13,020
his statements which allows them to

1435
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,480
maintain plausible deniability but it

1436
00:51:19,370 --> 00:51:17,280
also gives gresh the ability to speak

1437
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:19,380
openly about the allegations that he had

1438
00:51:22,250 --> 00:51:20,640
cleared by them

1439
00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:22,260
so for those who continue to question

1440
00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:24,300
grush's claims on the basis that he

1441
00:51:27,650 --> 00:51:25,380
doesn't have first-hand information

1442
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:27,660
about these crash retrieval programs and

1443
00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:29,400
was only told about them by intelligence

1444
00:51:33,770 --> 00:51:31,980
officials who were in those programs I

1445
00:51:35,870 --> 00:51:33,780
think it's important to point out that

1446
00:51:38,809 --> 00:51:35,880
it's very likely that the only reason

1447
00:51:40,970 --> 00:51:38,819
that this plan worked is exactly because

1448
00:51:43,790 --> 00:51:40,980
grush wasn't claiming to have first-hand

1449
00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:43,800
knowledge as we've discussed there is no

1450
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:45,480
mechanism by which members of special

1451
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:47,520
access programs can share classified

1452
00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:50,160
information directly with the public but

1453
00:51:54,890 --> 00:51:52,440
being one degree removed and having had

1454
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:54,900
his statements cleared by the dod Grouch

1455
00:52:00,170 --> 00:51:57,599
is able to say things that they can't

1456
00:52:01,849 --> 00:52:00,180
what we need to recognize is that even

1457
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,859
if the whistleblowers with first-hand

1458
00:52:05,569 --> 00:52:03,599
knowledge of these programs had

1459
00:52:07,849 --> 00:52:05,579
testified in front of Congress last week

1460
00:52:10,370 --> 00:52:07,859
there is very little that they actually

1461
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:10,380
would have been able to say publicly The

1462
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:12,180
Whistleblower legislation passed in

1463
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:14,400
December doesn't allow whistleblowers to

1464
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:17,280
go public with classified information it

1465
00:52:21,290 --> 00:52:18,720
only allows them to take that

1466
00:52:23,150 --> 00:52:21,300
information to Congress and as we've

1467
00:52:25,609 --> 00:52:23,160
discussed it's clear that they already

1468
00:52:27,710 --> 00:52:25,619
have and as a result of those

1469
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,720
conversations with whistleblowers the

1470
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:29,760
ball is already moving on legislation

1471
00:52:33,890 --> 00:52:31,980
that would make it possible for what

1472
00:52:36,650 --> 00:52:33,900
they know to actually become public

1473
00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:36,660
knowledge with the newly proposed UAP

1474
00:52:42,530 --> 00:52:39,900
disclosure Act of 2023

1475
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,540
before we wrap this episode there's one

1476
00:52:46,250 --> 00:52:44,160
more thing that we need to discuss which

1477
00:52:48,290 --> 00:52:46,260
is an open letter the director of Arrow

1478
00:52:50,930 --> 00:52:48,300
Sean Kirkpatrick wrote in response to

1479
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:50,940
the hearing strangely the letter wasn't

1480
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:52,559
released through any official channels

1481
00:52:57,230 --> 00:52:55,200
and wasn't on any official letterhead it

1482
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,240
was just one typed page that was posted

1483
00:53:01,930 --> 00:52:59,520
on Kirkpatrick's LinkedIn account of all

1484
00:53:03,950 --> 00:53:01,940
places the day after the hearing

1485
00:53:05,690 --> 00:53:03,960
Kirkpatrick expressed that he found the

1486
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:05,700
hearings to be insulting to the people

1487
00:53:10,010 --> 00:53:08,400
who work for Arrow he said the crush

1488
00:53:12,349 --> 00:53:10,020
never came to Arrow to discuss his

1489
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:12,359
accusations of retaliation and he

1490
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:14,160
doubled down on claims that Arrow has

1491
00:53:18,109 --> 00:53:16,079
found no credible evidence of non-human

1492
00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:18,119
technology or any related reverse

1493
00:53:22,370 --> 00:53:19,740
engineering programs

1494
00:53:25,490 --> 00:53:22,380
the tone of the letter is very strange

1495
00:53:27,290 --> 00:53:25,500
it's definitely not very professional I

1496
00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:27,300
won't say anything else about that you

1497
00:53:30,829 --> 00:53:28,740
can read it for yourself and decide what

1498
00:53:32,510 --> 00:53:30,839
you think but it definitely doesn't

1499
00:53:34,130 --> 00:53:32,520
sound like something that the Pentagon

1500
00:53:36,890 --> 00:53:34,140
would have approved of him posting

1501
00:53:38,750 --> 00:53:36,900
publicly especially because as many

1502
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:38,760
people pointed out it seemed like it

1503
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,280
could be a violation of the hatchet

1504
00:53:46,370 --> 00:53:43,680
the Hatch Act is a United States federal

1505
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:46,380
law formerly known as an act to prevent

1506
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:49,200
pernicious political activities enacted

1507
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:51,359
in 1939 the main goal of this

1508
00:53:55,370 --> 00:53:53,280
legislation is to prevent federal

1509
00:53:57,890 --> 00:53:55,380
employees from engaging in political

1510
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:57,900
activities while on duty in a government

1511
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,240
office wearing an official uniform or

1512
00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:02,160
using a government vehicle

1513
00:54:06,109 --> 00:54:04,020
it's basically a safeguard against

1514
00:54:08,089 --> 00:54:06,119
people in the executive branch using

1515
00:54:10,910 --> 00:54:08,099
their position to influence political

1516
00:54:12,770 --> 00:54:10,920
activities if Kirkpatrick was found to

1517
00:54:14,569 --> 00:54:12,780
have been using his official position to

1518
00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:14,579
give Credence to his comments or to

1519
00:54:19,250 --> 00:54:16,980
influence others it could be seen as

1520
00:54:20,270 --> 00:54:19,260
using official Authority for a political

1521
00:54:23,150 --> 00:54:20,280
purpose

1522
00:54:25,069 --> 00:54:23,160
now I am not a lawyer and it's not at

1523
00:54:28,010 --> 00:54:25,079
all clear that he did violate the Hatch

1524
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:28,020
Act with this letter but if he did it

1525
00:54:31,970 --> 00:54:30,000
could lead to suspension demotion

1526
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:31,980
termination disbarment from federal

1527
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:34,800
employment and other civil penalties

1528
00:54:38,809 --> 00:54:36,960
and we have a hint that the Pentagon

1529
00:54:40,970 --> 00:54:38,819
might see his actions as a potential

1530
00:54:42,410 --> 00:54:40,980
violation of the Hatch Act in the

1531
00:54:44,030 --> 00:54:42,420
official statement released by The

1532
00:54:46,490 --> 00:54:44,040
Pentagon on the matter

1533
00:54:48,589 --> 00:54:46,500
here's what they said quote the

1534
00:54:50,690 --> 00:54:48,599
department is aware of Dr Kirkpatrick's

1535
00:54:52,670 --> 00:54:50,700
posts which are his personal opinions

1536
00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:52,680
expressed in his capacity as a private

1537
00:54:56,930 --> 00:54:54,839
citizen and we've all comment directly

1538
00:54:59,450 --> 00:54:56,940
on the contents of the post

1539
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:59,460
the words as a private citizen are doing

1540
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,440
a lot of work there

1541
00:55:05,329 --> 00:55:03,599
how could it be that Kirkpatrick making

1542
00:55:06,890 --> 00:55:05,339
a written statement on a professional

1543
00:55:09,230 --> 00:55:06,900
networking site that specifically

1544
00:55:11,630 --> 00:55:09,240
references his position and work with

1545
00:55:13,609 --> 00:55:11,640
arrow could be considered to be just the

1546
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:13,619
personal opinions of a private citizen

1547
00:55:18,170 --> 00:55:16,319
his position as director of Arrow is the

1548
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,180
entire reason he wrote the letter and is

1549
00:55:23,329 --> 00:55:20,640
the main subject of the letter to say

1550
00:55:24,890 --> 00:55:23,339
otherwise is asinine but it's just the

1551
00:55:26,510 --> 00:55:24,900
sort of hedge that they would have to

1552
00:55:28,490 --> 00:55:26,520
make if they were concerned about a

1553
00:55:30,530 --> 00:55:28,500
Hatch Act violation

1554
00:55:32,750 --> 00:55:30,540
but regardless of the ethics and

1555
00:55:34,670 --> 00:55:32,760
legality of the letter I'd argue that

1556
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:34,680
the claims made by Kirkpatrick are

1557
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:37,440
largely meaningless what David grush is

1558
00:55:41,930 --> 00:55:39,119
alleging is that the people who were

1559
00:55:44,510 --> 00:55:41,940
charged with investigating uaps across

1560
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:44,520
programs and across decades have not

1561
00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:46,559
been given the resources and access that

1562
00:55:50,809 --> 00:55:48,180
they need to conduct that investigation

1563
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:50,819
thoroughly and that very specifically

1564
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:53,040
these illegal crash retrieval and

1565
00:55:56,569 --> 00:55:54,720
reverse engineering programs have been

1566
00:55:58,730 --> 00:55:56,579
intentionally hidden from investigators

1567
00:56:01,910 --> 00:55:58,740
because they are illegal

1568
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:01,920
in short if grush is lying arrow and by

1569
00:56:05,809 --> 00:56:04,079
extension Kirkpatrick wouldn't have

1570
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:05,819
evidence of these programs because they

1571
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:08,160
don't exist and if gresh is telling the

1572
00:56:11,870 --> 00:56:10,319
truth arrow and Kirkpatrick still

1573
00:56:14,089 --> 00:56:11,880
wouldn't have this evidence because it

1574
00:56:16,190 --> 00:56:14,099
has been intentionally hidden from them

1575
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,200
Kirkpatrick's statements are a data

1576
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:18,480
point but they do nothing to confirm one

1577
00:56:21,230 --> 00:56:20,400
way or another if brush is telling the

1578
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:21,240
truth

1579
00:56:26,210 --> 00:56:23,760
what we need is a rigorous and thorough

1580
00:56:28,490 --> 00:56:26,220
investigation if the evidence that grush

1581
00:56:30,290 --> 00:56:28,500
turned over to the icig is fraudulent

1582
00:56:31,370 --> 00:56:30,300
that shouldn't be hard for them to

1583
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:31,380
figure out

1584
00:56:35,390 --> 00:56:32,880
and that's where we'll leave it for

1585
00:56:37,010 --> 00:56:35,400
today I don't know about you but the

1586
00:56:39,710 --> 00:56:37,020
developments of the last week have left

1587
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,720
my head absolutely spinning I'll

1588
00:56:43,370 --> 00:56:41,520
continue to keep you updated with more

1589
00:56:45,460 --> 00:56:43,380
analysis as the push for disclosure

1590
00:56:48,650 --> 00:56:45,470
moves forward until next time

1591
00:56:50,530 --> 00:56:48,660
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